Flickr Commons and Facial Recognition

Comments on @angeldan’s Flickr post reacting to the NYTimes article on Flickr Commons photos being used to train facial recognition software and the initial reaction of how dare they use our photos for this?

FWIW, it was Yahoo that did this, and they no longer own Flickr.

Also, if they only used photos that were licensed for creative commons or commercial use…well, that’s what those licenses are for, right? Pre-emptively giving others permission to use the work under specific terms without them having to ask?

A. The thing is, you have to make an effort to choose a Creative Commons license for your photos. And the licenses are short, and go out of their way to explain what they do. It’s not the default, and it’s not 40 pages of legalese that you’re required to click through just to use the service. Now, if Yahoo used photos that *weren’t* licensed to allow reuse, then that’s another story.

More concerning, IMO, is whether the *subjects* of the photos would have agreed to this use. Not an issue with identifying trees, birds, cars, etc. – the original Flickr Commons collection wasn’t specific to people – but definitely an issue with the face recognition projects, and that’s where things like the Illinois biometrics law come in.

B. Yeah, the uses that the tech has been put to are in many cases creepy, unethical, and dangerous. That’s always a problem with tech. We often don’t anticipate the ways people will abuse it, and that’s something that we need to do more of. That’s a *huge* discussion in the tech world right now, and one that needs to be examined more closely, from as many angles as possible.

But is this *Flickr’s* breach of trust?
1. It was Flickr’s former parent company that made the original collection, using images that users had specifically assigned creative commons licenses.
2. It was a team at the University of Washington that narrowed it down to the images of faces, created the MegaFace dataset, and encouraged groups building facial recognition technology to use it for training and testing.
3. It’s still other companies that have been actually using the tech.

Flickr is partly back after a day of planned downtime to move out of Yahoo’s datacenter…

#Flickr is partly back after a day of planned downtime to move out of Yahoo’s datacenter.

For the downtime, they encouraged people to print out the #panda from the maintenance page and take photos of it off having adventures.

I went a bit overboard and put together 12 pictures of the panda exploring plants, hiding behind a crosswalk button, slipping near a caution sign, etc. I plan on posting this shot once uploads are working. The rest are on my blog at hyperborea.org/journal/2019/05/flickr-panda

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Paper panda next to an INITECH coffee mug.

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The Adventures of the Flickr Panda

The Adventures of the Flickr Panda

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It looks like signup is still handled through Yahoo…

@rtwx @artilectzed It looks like signup is still handled through Yahoo, so I guess they’re still in the process of converting all the accounts. It’s been a staged roll-out like phone updates.

I helped someone set up an account back in March, and IIRC they got access to the new login setup the next day. Meanwhile I had to wait until sometime in April.

I would imagine they’ll have totally Yahoo-less signup either before or as part of their migration to AWS. Probably.

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@rtwx @artilectzed To clarify:

1. Yes, the updated logins on existing accounts aren’t tied to Yahoo anymore.

2. No, creating a new account still goes through Yahoo. But it can be converted shortly afterward, and getting rid of that requirement is on their roadmap.

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This is amusing. SmugMug has been slowly disentangling Flickr from Yahoo…

This is amusing.

SmugMug has been slowly disentangling #Flickr from Yahoo over the last few months, and they have planned downtime coming up in a few weeks to finish migrating a gazillion photos and videos from Yahoo’s datacenter to AWS.

The funny part: They’re doing a photo contest where you print out the maintenance notice and “take your photo of the little panda on an adventure somewhere,” then post it after the site comes back.

https://blog.flickr.net/en/2019/05/08/enter-our-good-panda-photo-contest-for-a-chance-to-win-a-free-year-of-flickr-pro/

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Hot Take: The Great Flickr Purge

Yahoo was never sure what to do with Flickr after they bought it. And when they realized they’d missed the smartphone revolution, they tried to make it into something it wasn’t suited for (an Instagram equivalent) and couldn’t sustain (cloud storage for ALL your photos!)

I remember when they panicked over Instagram and the best they could come up with was adding filters, as if that was the key…

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Why I have more confidence in Flickr/SmugMug than Tumblr/Verizon

Why I have more confidence in Flickr/SmugMug than Tumblr/Verizon

Last month, Tumblr and Flickr both announced policy changes that upset a lot of users. Flickr announced that they’d be shrinking the storage offered to free accounts while adding features to paid accounts. Tumblr announced that all adult content was going to be banned, and immediately set about flagging posts and accounts. In the clumsiest way possible. With a lot of errors…

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Hmm, #Flickr is also shedding users post-Yahoo w/ the subscription changes, but that seems more …

Hmm, is also shedding users post-Yahoo w/ the subscription changes, but that seems more benign (to me). They’re shrinking the free tier so that they can continue to serve the paying core users, not pushing out a core section of the users.

🤦‍♂️ Of course! Flickr’s customers are the Flickr Pro users. ‘s customers are advertisers.

(That and, you know, bought by a photography site vs. bought by a giant telecom corporation.)

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The thing with Flickr is that

1. They’ve had a freemium business model as long as I can remember.
2. The new free tier may be limited, but it’s still more than they offered *before* the move to “Let’s get people to host ALL their pictures here!” a few years back. (1000 photos vs. 200, IIRC).
3. They’re focusing on their core, not jettisoning it.

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This is promising: SmugMug has bought Flickr & plans to “maintain Flickr as a standalone community…”

This is promising: SmugMug has bought Flickr & plans to “maintain Flickr as a standalone community of amateur and professional photographers and give the long neglected service the focus and resources it deserves.” (quote from article)

Now I don’t have to worry about Verizon shutting it down!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2018/04/20/smugmug-buys-flickr-verizon-oath/537377002/

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And the Flickr Q&A: https://blog.flickr.net/en/2018/04/20/together-smugmug-flickr-faq/

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